Why did the Rabbis tell the Exodus through the words of a farmer—and leave Mount Sinai out of the story?
The story of the Exodus without using the Book of Exodus?
In Parshat Ki Tavo, an Israelite farmer enters the Temple carrying a basket of first fruits and recites a compact history of his people: “My father was a wandering Aramean. The Egyptians oppressed us. We cried out. God brought us forth and gave us this land.” Those words would eventually leave the Temple, enter the Jewish home and become the centerpiece of the Passover Haggadah.
Geoffrey Stern and Rabbi Adam Mintz explore why Mikra Bikkurim fascinated both the Rabbis and modern critical scholars. Gerhard von Rad called it Israel’s “little historical creed,” while Jeffrey Tigay noted its memorable alliteration and preservation of Israel’s landless beginnings. Ibn Ezra, Rashbam and Shadal debate whether its wandering ancestor was Jacob, Abraham—or all the patriarchs combined.
Unlike the narrative in Exodus, this declaration is spoken in the first person: “They oppressed us. We cried out. God brought us forth.” It allows every later Israelite to enter the ancestors’ history and claim it as personal memory.
But the declaration also begins the Exodus before Pharaoh. By reaching back to the wandering and vulnerability of Abraham and Jacob, it transforms the Exodus from a single historical event into a recurring pattern of exile and return, danger and deliverance. Like Isaiah in the Haftarot of Consolation, the Rabbis reopened Genesis and repurposed its ancestral voices to give hope to later generations.
They moved this declaration:
- From the Temple to the home
- From the pilgrim’s basket to the Seder table
- From possession of the land to life in exile
- From bringing first fruits to telling the story
Finally, we confront the great omission: Why does Mikra Bikkurim move from Egypt directly to the Promised Land without mentioning Moses or the revelation at Mount Sinai?
Perhaps the Exodus repeats itself, while Sinai does not. Exile and redemption can recur nationally and personally, but the Torah came down from heaven only once. From then on, lo bashamayim hi—“It is not in heaven.” The Torah was given to human beings to interpret and make their own.
And as Rosh Hashanah approaches, the same first-person grammar returns in the Selichot confession: Aval anachnu va’avoteinu chatanu—“But we and our ancestors have sinned.” We inherit not only our ancestors’ redemption, but also their failures, their repentance and their hope.
Join us for Liberation: Personal and Recurring.
Key Takeaways
- When History Becomes Identity
Sacred memory is not simply the recollection of what happened to our ancestors. By speaking their story in the first person, we enter it ourselves: their vulnerability becomes our vulnerability, their liberation becomes our liberation, and their history becomes our identity.
- A Timeless Grammar of Liberation
The most enduring stories are not confined to the events that first produced them. By beginning before Pharaoh and extending the pattern into every generation, Mikra Bikkurim transforms the Exodus from a single historical event into a timeless grammar of exile, survival and return.
- The Exodus Repeats; Sinai Does Not
Liberation and revelation move through history differently. The Exodus can recur whenever human beings move from oppression to freedom, but Sinai was a singular moment. Once the Torah came down from heaven, its interpretation—and the responsibility to live by it—passed into human hands.
Timestamps
00:00 Temple Script Origins
01:29 Ki Tavo Setup
02:06 Mikra Bikkurim Reading
03:54 Von Rad Historical Creed
08:23 Missing Sinai Question
12:09 Who Is the Aramean
15:36 Sponsor Break
16:42 Why Haggadah Uses It
20:53 Personal Exodus Every Year
24:50 Exile Proof Text Power
28:34 Sinai Once vs Exodus Repeat
30:43 Rosh Hashanah Tie In
32:07 Wrap Up and Viewer Question
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00:00:05,718 –> 00:00:14,785 A farmer walks into the Temple carrying a basket of fruit and recites a few carefully chosen words about his family’s past. 2 00:00:14,785 –> 00:00:22,791 Those words would eventually leave the Temple, enter the Jewish home, and become the centerpiece of the Passover Haggadah. 3 00:00:22,791 –> 00:00:29,676 Why did the rabbis choose this short declaration from Deuteronomy to tell the story of the Exodus? 4 00:00:29,676 –> 00:00:33,516 How does it make the Exodus personal and recurring? 5 00:00:33,516 –> 00:00:42,653 And why does it mention wandering ancestors, Egypt, slavery, redemption, and the land, but completely skip Mount Sinai? 6 00:00:42,653 –> 00:00:45,815 The rabbis were not alone in their fascination. 7 00:00:45,815 –> 00:00:59,285 Modern critical scholars have also recognized this unusual first-person declaration as an outlier in the Torah and a potential key to understanding how Israel shaped and reshaped 8 00:00:59,285 –> 00:01:01,406 its foundational story.
9 00:01:03,116 --> 00:01:04,327 Welcome to Madlik. 10 00:01:04,327 --> 00:01:10,633 My name is Geoffrey Stern, and at Madlik we light a spark or shed some light on a Jewish text or tradition. 11 00:01:10,633 --> 00:01:18,060 Along with Rabbi Adam Mintz, we host Madlik Disruptive Torah on your favorite podcast platform and now on YouTube and Substack. 12 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:23,785 We also publish a source sheet on Sefaria and a link is included in the show notes. 13 00:01:23,785 --> 00:01:29,780 If you enjoy this podcast, be sure to subscribe and feel free to give us a star or two. 14 00:01:29,794 --> 00:01:43,706 This week we read Parshat Ki Tavo and encounter Mikra Bikkurim, a first-person script that begins the Exodus before Pharaoh and carries it forward into every generation. 15 00:01:43,706 --> 00:01:48,871 So join us for liberation, personal, and recurring. 16 00:01:48,871 --> 00:01:53,364 Well, Rabbi, it's almost Rosh Hashanah, and we're talking about Passover, as usual. 17 00:01:53,486 --> 00:01:54,019 Perfect. 18 00:01:54,019 --> 00:01:54,552 You know what? 19 00:01:54,552 --> 00:01:58,189 That just shows the Jewish calendar goes round and round. 20 00:01:59,272 --> 00:02:02,775 And I think maybe at the end we'll tie it into Rosh Hashanah. 21 00:02:02,775 --> 00:02:06,928 So if you're in a Rosh Hashanah state of mind, stick with us. 22 00:02:06,928 --> 00:02:18,285 So as I said, in Deuteronomy 26:1, it says, When you enter the land that the eternal your God is giving you as a heritage, and you possess it and settle it. 23 00:02:18,285 --> 00:02:20,337 I mean, that's what Deuteronomy is all about. 24 00:02:20,337 --> 00:02:24,080 Instructions for when you actually get into the land. 25 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,564 You shall take some of your first fruit of the soil. 26 00:02:27,564 --> 00:02:39,147 Which you harvest from the land that the Eternal Your God is giving you, put it in a basket, and go to the place where the Eternal Your God will choose to establish the divine 27 00:02:39,147 --> 00:02:39,918 name. 28 00:02:39,918 --> 00:02:53,351 You shall go to the priest in charge at that time and say to him, "I acknowledge this day before the Eternal Your God, that I have entered the land that God swore to our fathers to 29 00:02:53,351 --> 00:02:54,742 assign us." 30 00:02:55,234 --> 00:03:01,836 The priest shall take the basket from your hand and set it down in front of the altar of the eternal your God. 31 00:03:01,836 --> 00:03:06,257 You shall then recite as follows before the eternal your God. 32 00:03:06,257 --> 00:03:09,178 "My father was a fugitive Aramean. 33 00:03:09,178 --> 00:03:13,459 He went down to Egypt with meager numbers and sojourned there. 34 00:03:13,579 --> 00:03:17,380 But there he became a great and very populous nation. 35 00:03:17,380 --> 00:03:20,581 The Egyptians dealt harshly with us and oppressed us. 36 00:03:20,581 --> 00:03:23,702 They imposed heavy labor upon us. 37 00:03:23,702 --> 00:03:31,929 We cried to the Eternal, the God of our ancestors, and the Eternal heard our plea and saw our plight, our misery and our oppression. 38 00:03:31,929 --> 00:03:42,577 God freed us from Egypt by a mighty hand, by an outstretched arm and awesome power and by signs and portents, bringing us to this place and giving us this land, a land flowing with 39 00:03:42,577 --> 00:03:43,798 milk and honey. 40 00:03:43,798 --> 00:03:49,642 And so I now bring the first fruits of the soil that You, O Eternal, have given me." 41 00:03:49,702 --> 00:03:59,575 You shall leave the basket before the eternal your God and bow low before the eternal your God, and you shall enjoy together with the Levite and the stranger in your midst all the 42 00:03:59,575 --> 00:04:04,706 bounty that the Eternal Your God has bestowed upon you and your household. 43 00:04:04,706 --> 00:04:16,579 So the reason I say that this is I'd say iconic, but also an outlier, and I try to emphasize the "I" is because it really is a formula. 44 00:04:16,579 --> 00:04:18,690 Gerhard von Rad, 45 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:22,352 Was a great biblical critical scholar. 46 00:04:22,352 --> 00:04:30,317 And he called this a little historical creed, or as he said in German, kleines geschichtliches Credo. 47 00:04:30,317 --> 00:04:39,302 He believed it was an exceptionally early liturgical formula, subsequently incorporated into Deuteronomy. 48 00:04:39,302 --> 00:04:42,624 His argument rests on several observations. 49 00:04:42,624 --> 00:04:46,018 It has the compact form of an oral formula. 50 00:04:46,018 --> 00:04:53,442 Now, if you weren't following the screen, even in our translation, it puts the two statements in it in quotation marks. 51 00:04:53,442 --> 00:04:58,515 Rabbi, it really is a formula, kind of like a berakhah that you would do today. 52 00:04:58,515 --> 00:05:04,168 You would hold up your berakhah card in front of you or your siddur and you would read from it. 53 00:05:04,168 --> 00:05:06,369 It's a quote. 54 00:05:06,369 --> 00:05:07,630 It's compact. 55 00:05:07,630 --> 00:05:14,840 The declaration reduces Israel's foundational story to a short sequence: an Aramean ancestor. 56 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:23,232 Descent into Egypt, multiplication into a nation, Egyptian oppression, Israel's cry, God's deliverance, entrance into the land. 57 00:05:23,232 --> 00:05:34,035 And for those of you who are knowledgeable with the Haggadah, if I had read it in Hebrew, you would have recognized it from the Haggadah, where every phrase becomes a touch 58 00:05:34,035 --> 00:05:36,596 point for a comment. 59 00:05:36,596 --> 00:05:43,882 It maintains no names, no dates, no genealogies, or narrative details. 60 00:05:43,882 --> 00:05:55,816 says von Rad, because it's compressed, it has a rhythmical character, as typical of something memorized and repeatedly recited in worship, rather than composed as ordinary 61 00:05:55,816 --> 00:05:57,566 historical prose. 62 00:05:57,566 --> 00:05:59,847 It is also attached to a ritual. 63 00:05:59,847 --> 00:06:08,716 So these are all reasons that this scholar said there's something unique about this and he thought it made it very old. 64 00:06:08,716 --> 00:06:19,590 And of course, we do have in the Torah, such as, correct me if I'm wrong, Rabbi, Az Yashir Moshe, which is the Song of the Sea, that scholars will say. 65 00:06:19,590 --> 00:06:21,240 It seems to be older. 66 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,511 It's a text that was brought in. 67 00:06:23,511 --> 00:06:29,593 And of course the Torah itself makes references to Sefer Milhamot, Sefer Melakhim. 68 00:06:29,593 --> 00:06:40,956 There is an understanding within even the Torah, even if you don't buy into biblical criticism and the fact that some editor came along, clearly it does reference 69 00:06:40,956 --> 00:06:44,077 pre-existing phrases, formulas. 70 00:06:44,077 --> 00:06:46,817 And I think that's what he's kind of saying here. 71 00:06:46,817 --> 00:06:48,838 He thought this was very old. 72 00:06:48,910 --> 00:06:49,280 Also 73 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:50,811 that's for sure right. 74 00:06:50,811 --> 00:06:53,314 Az Yashir is like this recitation. 75 00:06:53,314 --> 00:06:55,396 It's not part of the story. 76 00:06:55,396 --> 00:06:57,057 It's not part of the narrative. 77 00:06:57,057 --> 00:06:58,649 It's separate from the narrative. 78 00:06:58,649 --> 00:07:00,621 Az Yashir comes in the middle. 79 00:07:00,621 --> 00:07:03,473 Here also it's a recitation. 80 00:07:03,473 --> 00:07:04,444 Where does that come from? 81 00:07:04,444 --> 00:07:07,196 So that's kind of separate from the story. 82 00:07:07,878 --> 00:07:08,599 Absolutely. 83 00:07:08,599 --> 00:07:10,321 It's like Az Yashir Moshe. 84 00:07:10,321 --> 00:07:13,244 They make it sound like this was a pre-existing song. 85 00:07:13,244 --> 00:07:15,667 Here it's a pre-existing formula. 86 00:07:15,667 --> 00:07:28,240 But the other things that become fascinating as we'll see is it's written for the future because it's a formula that Moses is giving to the people that they will say in the future 87 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,732 and they will recite themselves. 88 00:07:30,732 --> 00:07:42,529 The farmer is explicitly instructed to say these words while presenting the first fruits at the sanctuary, because first fruit offerings were presumed to be very old, von Rad 89 00:07:42,529 --> 00:07:43,449 reasoned. 90 00:07:43,449 --> 00:07:48,192 That the accompanying recitation might also preserve an early cultic tradition. 91 00:07:48,192 --> 00:07:59,200 You know, clearly, if in an agrarian society, the most basic thing that you do if you believe that God is responsible for any sort of 92 00:07:59,738 --> 00:08:04,900 success on your end is you thank God with your first fruits. 93 00:08:04,900 --> 00:08:08,742 It seems like it's a very seminal moment. 94 00:08:08,742 --> 00:08:19,907 He conceded that there was no objective chronological marker, but argued that the formula's concise, simple form and its connection to an ancient ritual brought it close to 95 00:08:19,907 --> 00:08:23,408 Israel's earliest formulations of its history. 96 00:08:23,609 --> 00:08:26,890 What makes it interesting is the formula moves from 97 00:08:26,890 --> 00:08:34,657 Exodus directly toward the land without mentioning Sinai, the covenant at Horeb, and without mentioning Moses. 98 00:08:34,657 --> 00:08:38,200 Sounds like when we talk about the Haggadah and we say what's missing. 99 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,124 Clearly in the Haggadah we say doesn't mention Moses. 100 00:08:42,124 --> 00:08:49,480 I think this kind of sensitized me to say, hmm, it actually in the Haggadah doesn't mention giving the Torah at Mount Sinai either. 101 00:08:49,742 --> 00:08:57,967 I think it's more significant that it doesn't mention Sinai because we know that the book of Deuteronomy is basically first person Moses. 102 00:08:57,967 --> 00:09:00,849 So he's the one who's telling them what to do. 103 00:09:00,849 --> 00:09:03,831 So it's not so surprising that Moses isn't there. 104 00:09:03,831 --> 00:09:08,734 But the fact that Sinai's not there, that's a good dvar Torah for everybody's Seder. 105 00:09:08,898 --> 00:09:09,438 Yeah. 106 00:09:09,438 --> 00:09:21,653 And of course, because Von Rad was a biblical critic, meaning to say that he felt that the Torah was comprised of edited documents put together at a later time, his argument was why 107 00:09:21,653 --> 00:09:23,764 was it not mentioning Sinai? 108 00:09:23,764 --> 00:09:34,349 He argued that the Exodus land tradition, was one group of texts, and the Sinai tradition were circulated separately and were combined only later. 109 00:09:34,349 --> 00:09:38,082 You can buy it and you can you can take it or you can leave it. 110 00:09:38,082 --> 00:09:43,066 But the point was that he clearly identified that Sinai was missing. 111 00:09:43,066 --> 00:09:54,786 And then he says, this thing about my father was an Aramean seems to preserve an unusual ancestral memory, which rings true because every year we twist our heads and our 112 00:09:54,786 --> 00:09:56,797 minds to know what's going on here. 113 00:09:56,797 --> 00:09:58,799 Who is this Aramean? 114 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:00,440 It it's old. 115 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:07,458 The other commentaries, and I'm gonna quote a little bit from Jeffrey Tigay. 116 00:10:07,458 --> 00:10:10,640 Who wrote the JPS commentary on Devarim? 117 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,034 He says the Hebrew Arami Oved Avi is alliterative. 118 00:10:15,034 --> 00:10:15,965 What does that mean? 119 00:10:15,965 --> 00:10:25,231 It has a repetition with the same starting sounds in a group of nearby words, which would facilitate memorization of this phrase. 120 00:10:25,232 --> 00:10:33,697 I've seen explanations before that say we use this because people knew it, because farmers used it. 121 00:10:34,036 --> 00:10:38,970 Everything had to be memorized because, as Sharon will be happy to tell you, there were no books. 122 00:10:38,970 --> 00:10:43,654 And so you had to write it on, you know, on parchment and that was too expensive. 123 00:10:43,654 --> 00:10:46,776 So something like Arami oved avi had to be known. 124 00:10:46,776 --> 00:10:51,720 And of course, that's why it's chosen for the Haggadah, because they didn't have Haggadot in those days. 125 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,642 These things had to be known to the people. 126 00:10:55,872 --> 00:11:04,145 And the idea was that you were talking about your old, old ancestors that maybe you have forgotten. 127 00:11:04,145 --> 00:11:05,855 They were vulnerable migrants. 128 00:11:05,855 --> 00:11:12,888 They were poor people, and here you were celebrating the shefa, the richness of the moment. 129 00:11:12,888 --> 00:11:14,888 makes perfect sense. 130 00:11:14,888 --> 00:11:16,589 He adds something else. 131 00:11:16,589 --> 00:11:19,712 He says that not only would 132 00:11:19,712 --> 00:11:30,931 This keep the memory of Israel's landless beginnings fresh in the farmer's mind, but he continues: this clause of saying that your forefather was an Aramean probably was very 133 00:11:30,931 --> 00:11:43,250 ancient, for it is unlikely that Israelite tradition would have chosen to describe Israel's ancestors as Arameans once Arameans of Damascus became aggressive toward Israel 134 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:45,361 in the 9th century BCE. 135 00:11:45,361 --> 00:11:46,264 So again, 136 00:11:46,264 --> 00:12:00,031 There are many scholars, both critical, or in the case of Jeffrey Tigay, more classical, more traditional, who are arguing that there's something unique about this and it's 137 00:12:00,031 --> 00:12:01,373 possibly old. 138 00:12:01,373 --> 00:12:02,523 So let's look at 139 00:12:02,523 --> 00:12:06,747 about the historical point about what the role of the Arameans was. 140 00:12:06,747 --> 00:12:07,659 Okay. 141 00:12:09,426 --> 00:12:16,408 So let's look at the classical rabbinic commentaries and who they say this wandering Aramean was. 142 00:12:16,408 --> 00:12:20,359 The Ibn Ezra says that it refers to Jacob. 143 00:12:20,359 --> 00:12:26,511 I think that's typically what we think of in the Haggadah because we see him fleeing from Laban. 144 00:12:26,511 --> 00:12:31,012 So he says that he was poor and had no money. 145 00:12:31,012 --> 00:12:38,168 So again, echoing what I said a second ago, that we will find later the Mishnah talks about going from Gnut to 146 00:12:38,168 --> 00:12:45,642 From maybe embarrassment to shevach, to being very successful. 147 00:12:45,642 --> 00:12:46,633 Here it's very simple. 148 00:12:46,633 --> 00:12:52,766 He was poor and had no money, and here you're bringing this basket of rich first crop. 149 00:12:52,766 --> 00:12:59,750 And it says its import is I did not inherit the land from my father, for my father was poor when he came to Aram. 150 00:12:59,750 --> 00:13:02,992 He was also a stranger in Egypt, he was few in number. 151 00:13:02,992 --> 00:13:07,714 The Rashbam says, Arami oved avi. 152 00:13:07,714 --> 00:13:16,080 he says it means my father Avraham, who was an Aramite, lost in exile from his birthplace, Aram. 153 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:22,525 We dealt with this a lot in a very popular segment where we talked about the use of Aramaic. 154 00:13:22,525 --> 00:13:25,447 and everybody comes from Aram. 155 00:13:25,447 --> 00:13:28,259 The meaning of the word Oved here is similar. 156 00:13:28,259 --> 00:13:34,786 the root used to describe wandering without specific objective, almost like walking because one is lost. 157 00:13:34,786 --> 00:13:38,048 We also find the word in this connection in Jeremiah. 158 00:13:38,048 --> 00:13:41,591 My people were lost sheep, their shepherd led them astray. 159 00:13:41,591 --> 00:13:43,672 עמי רועיהם התעום 160 00:13:43,672 --> 00:13:53,479 I find the reference to Jeremiah important because remember that Jeremiah is a prophet in the future of exile and return. 161 00:13:53,479 --> 00:13:58,066 And so just as our forefathers were lost. 162 00:13:58,066 --> 00:14:09,956 exile wandering, so too when we bring up that basket of first fruits, we're referring in the instance where sometime in the future will be again refugees. 163 00:14:09,956 --> 00:14:11,557 We come from refugees. 164 00:14:11,557 --> 00:14:12,919 Don't, don't worry about it. 165 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:14,059 You can get over it. 166 00:14:14,059 --> 00:14:17,198 and then of course I love the Shadal. 167 00:14:17,198 --> 00:14:21,703 By the way, that the word, my father was a wandering Aramean. 168 00:14:21,703 --> 00:14:27,400 So we always focus on the word Aramean, but the word wandering is a very interesting term, right? 169 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,851 That my father was a wanderer. 170 00:14:28,851 --> 00:14:29,592 That's what you say. 171 00:14:29,592 --> 00:14:31,594 We're always refugees. 172 00:14:31,734 --> 00:14:34,315 And we're always referring to that in good times and bad. 173 00:14:34,315 --> 00:14:35,696 And I think that's powerful. 174 00:14:35,696 --> 00:14:44,380 Shadal says, My father, this includes all the patriarchs as one, for they wandered from nation to nation. 175 00:14:44,380 --> 00:14:48,682 And he says, the Rashbam, who said it was Abraham, was on the right track. 176 00:14:48,682 --> 00:14:57,688 What I'm trying to get to, Rabbi, very similar to what we did last week with Isaiah, where he tried to broaden our history. 177 00:14:57,688 --> 00:15:01,581 To Noah, to Adam and Eve, to Abraham and Sarah. 178 00:15:01,581 --> 00:15:12,292 Here it's becoming irrelevant who we're referring to with this ambiguous term Aramean, because its import is that it could be any one of our relatives. 179 00:15:12,292 --> 00:15:15,756 It could be any one of our patriarchs and ancestors. 180 00:15:15,756 --> 00:15:18,979 And that's why I love that Shadal says it's all of them. 181 00:15:18,979 --> 00:15:22,242 It takes away the historic. 182 00:15:22,242 --> 00:15:29,509 historical antecedents of one Exodus, of one leader of Moses, and it broadens it out. 183 00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:32,896 And I think that too makes it much more important. 184 00:15:33,437 --> 00:15:34,772 Fantastic. 185 00:15:36,736 --> 00:15:40,288 And now a word from our sponsor. 186 00:15:40,448 --> 00:15:46,131 If there's one thing we value at Madlik Podcast, it's reading texts and talking about them. 187 00:15:46,131 --> 00:15:50,874 That's why I'm excited to share something I created called VoiceGift PLAY. 188 00:15:50,874 --> 00:15:55,777 It fits in the palm of your hand like a remote control and clips onto any book. 189 00:15:55,777 --> 00:16:01,780 It's inspired by those old school museum audio guides, but this is personal. 190 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:04,864 VoiceGift PLAY stores up to 10 hours of audio. 191 00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:09,156 Across 999 numbered recordings. 192 00:16:09,176 --> 00:16:16,719 You simply enter a number to record a 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relation to returning exiles and those who had remained in the land, it makes 203 00:17:13,854 --> 00:17:15,126 perfect sense. 204 00:17:15,126 --> 00:17:22,508 I love the fact that almost the rabbis and the biblical critics are saying this statement 205 00:17:22,508 --> 00:17:28,687 becomes so useful because it's not relational to one particular period. 206 00:17:28,687 --> 00:17:35,617 It could be very old or it could be literally at the moment that Isaiah, who we were reading last week, was talking. 207 00:17:35,896 --> 00:17:39,036 Well and of course and we use it every year at the Seder. 208 00:17:39,036 --> 00:17:41,492 So it kind of—it's above time. 209 00:17:42,688 --> 00:17:43,639 It is. 210 00:17:43,639 --> 00:17:55,206 And I love that you brought that up because I'm going to segue now into the Seder because I'm going to argue today, and we do this many times at Madlik, where we say, you know, the 211 00:17:55,206 --> 00:18:00,910 biblical critics and the rabbis definitely recognize the same problems. 212 00:18:00,910 --> 00:18:04,713 And in this particular case, they came out with the same solution. 213 00:18:04,713 --> 00:18:08,956 So the rabbis of the Haggadah are writing a document. 214 00:18:08,956 --> 00:18:12,436 Most of us would agree it was made for exile. 215 00:18:12,436 --> 00:18:16,510 It certainly was made for a post-temple time. 216 00:18:16,510 --> 00:18:30,122 They didn't need a Haggadah when you were bringing your Passover sacrifice, but they wrote it for transitional periods, and they went and picked this same ceremonial 217 00:18:30,122 --> 00:18:39,682 formulaic statement that a farmer says when he brings his crops, and they modeled the whole Haggadah after it. 218 00:18:39,682 --> 00:18:43,045 So this is what they say in the Mishnah in Pesachim. 219 00:18:43,045 --> 00:18:50,072 He begins, matchil b'genut u'mesayem b'shevach—he begins with the Jewish people's disgrace. 220 00:18:50,072 --> 00:18:52,914 I would say better, humble beginnings. 221 00:18:52,914 --> 00:18:57,250 I don't know why we say disgrace, and concludes with their glory. 222 00:18:57,250 --> 00:19:01,412 He expounds from the passage, an Aramean tried to destroy my father. 223 00:19:01,412 --> 00:19:03,853 That's Deuteronomy 26, 5. 224 00:19:03,853 --> 00:19:12,397 And here the Mishnah is telling us what to do at the Seder at the moment of Maggid, that we are required to tell the story. 225 00:19:12,397 --> 00:19:20,241 The declaration one recites when presenting the first fruits in the temple, until he concludes explaining the entire section. 226 00:19:20,241 --> 00:19:22,962 So that's why we are discussing. 227 00:19:22,962 --> 00:19:37,226 Passover today because it is literally our paragraph in the Torah portion of this week that provides the basis, the proof text that we use in the Haggadah. 228 00:19:37,327 --> 00:19:48,070 In terms of the traditional Talmudic explanations of what it means to begin with genut, with what I call our humble beginnings. 229 00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:53,673 Rav says it's idolatry and Shmuel says it's slavery. 230 00:19:53,673 --> 00:20:07,019 But again, if you look at the context, it's clear as any entrepreneur who is successful and talks back to his humble beginnings that this is part of this wonderful formula. 231 00:20:07,019 --> 00:20:14,282 I started, my dad had nothing, and this is what God gave me and created this wonderful shefa. 232 00:20:14,658 --> 00:20:19,802 I'll just say that Jewish tradition teaches us always to go back to our humble beginnings. 233 00:20:19,802 --> 00:20:23,185 I wonder if that comes from the Haggadah. 234 00:20:23,185 --> 00:20:30,750 That's just part of our DNA, that that's our tradition, that you always you start from our humility. 235 00:20:30,892 --> 00:20:31,362 Yeah. 236 00:20:31,362 --> 00:20:31,642 Yeah. 237 00:20:31,642 --> 00:20:38,624 And it's and it's very powerful, but we think of it so many times as something it's kind of the right thing to do. 238 00:20:38,624 --> 00:20:45,446 But I think what we're going to take away today is, but it's a powerful, empowering thing to do. 239 00:20:45,446 --> 00:20:49,687 Because if your beginnings are humble and you were a wanderer, guess what? 240 00:20:49,687 --> 00:20:53,548 If you're a wanderer again, you're going to take solace from that. 241 00:20:53,548 --> 00:20:56,209 You're going to say, I've been here before. 242 00:20:56,209 --> 00:21:00,350 I've seen this movie, and I know we can get out of it. 243 00:21:00,570 --> 00:21:07,772 so again, the key question is why not go to the book of Exodus to base the Haggadah on? 244 00:21:07,772 --> 00:21:09,373 Why go to Deuteronomy? 245 00:21:09,373 --> 00:21:16,194 And the answer seems to be that Exodus contains all the details of the events. 246 00:21:16,194 --> 00:21:22,076 But Deuteronomy contains a speech in which an Israelite is commanded to retell those events. 247 00:21:22,076 --> 00:21:24,897 Exodus is third-person narrative. 248 00:21:24,897 --> 00:21:29,098 The Israelites were enslaved, God heard them, God brought them. 249 00:21:29,168 --> 00:21:31,450 but here it's first-person. 250 00:21:31,450 --> 00:21:36,044 He saw us—and look, it comes right from the Haggadah. 251 00:21:36,044 --> 00:21:40,347 Vayare'u otanu ha-Mitzrim, va-nitzak, va-yotzieinu, va-y'vieinu. 252 00:21:40,347 --> 00:21:42,949 It happened to me, says this farmer. 253 00:21:42,949 --> 00:21:44,030 It brings it 254 00:21:44,030 --> 00:21:46,111 into the present. 255 00:21:46,111 --> 00:21:48,771 And that's of course what the next Mishnah says. 256 00:21:48,771 --> 00:21:54,333 B'khol dor va-dor chayav adam lir'ot et atzmo k'ilu hu yatza mi-Mitzrayim. 257 00:21:54,333 --> 00:22:04,676 Therefore, each person, and they took that right from the farmer, because the farmer is standing there reciting a formula that Moses provided in the book of Deuteronomy on the 258 00:22:04,676 --> 00:22:12,208 banks of Moab, that he was to say in the future to relive the moment. 259 00:22:12,208 --> 00:22:13,918 I think it's magical. 260 00:22:14,350 --> 00:22:15,040 It's fantastic. 261 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,602 Well, that's the most famous line of all, right? 262 00:22:17,602 --> 00:22:20,294 We have to imagine that we left Egypt. 263 00:22:20,294 --> 00:22:26,588 We have to imagine ourselves as slaves and we have to imagine ourselves as achieving our freedom. 264 00:22:27,298 --> 00:22:27,658 Yes. 265 00:22:27,658 --> 00:22:39,943 And of course, it therefore tells the next most famous thing, which is that therefore we need to look upon ourselves as if we went out. 266 00:22:39,943 --> 00:22:53,209 And then it goes on to learn from Laban, and it says therefore we went down to Egypt and resided there just a handful of souls, and there we became a nation large and 267 00:22:53,209 --> 00:22:53,869 plenty. 268 00:22:53,869 --> 00:22:56,920 It feeds right into the story of 269 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,010 The Haggadah. 270 00:22:58,010 --> 00:23:04,902 And I would say that it becomes now very similar to what we were stretching for last week. 271 00:23:04,902 --> 00:23:08,694 And this becomes, therefore, an outlier for another reason. 272 00:23:08,694 --> 00:23:14,195 If you recall, last week we said you'll never find Moses talking about Abraham. 273 00:23:14,195 --> 00:23:17,216 You'll never find Moses talking besides the covenant. 274 00:23:17,216 --> 00:23:19,877 You'll never find him talking or referencing Noah. 275 00:23:19,877 --> 00:23:22,978 You'll never find him talking or reference Adam and Eve. 276 00:23:22,978 --> 00:23:33,887 But here by using this word Aramean, which is in the book of Deuteronomy, it opens up permission for us to say this story goes way back. 277 00:23:33,887 --> 00:23:40,793 And as a result, and this is key, it goes way forward, that it will be with us all the time. 278 00:23:40,793 --> 00:23:47,522 And that's why we can say, V'hi She'amda, that it is in every generation. 279 00:23:47,522 --> 00:23:49,503 That they stand up against us. 280 00:23:49,503 --> 00:23:51,163 That's literally what it's saying. 281 00:23:51,163 --> 00:23:54,565 It's saying that the Exodus story was not a one-off. 282 00:23:54,565 --> 00:24:01,607 The Exodus story was a model, a template, that we can repurpose going forward. 283 00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:09,930 So it's, I think, fascinating to look at this in the context of what we were discussing last week with regard to Isaiah. 284 00:24:10,188 --> 00:24:12,679 That's that is actually fantastic, right? 285 00:24:12,679 --> 00:24:15,140 To look forward, to look backwards. 286 00:24:15,140 --> 00:24:24,443 yeah, I mean, the question to me is why is it that we need to see it as if we left Egypt? 287 00:24:24,443 --> 00:24:31,485 What do we gain by acting as if we were slaves and we were free? 288 00:24:31,485 --> 00:24:35,232 I think it means that we appreciate Jewish history. 289 00:24:35,232 --> 00:24:37,423 And that's what Isaiah is, right? 290 00:24:37,423 --> 00:24:45,949 That if we understand that experience of going from slavery to freedom, then we are we fit into every period of Jewish history. 291 00:24:45,949 --> 00:24:48,830 B'khol dor va-dor—in every generation. 292 00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:50,583 I totally agree. 293 00:24:50,583 --> 00:24:55,006 And what I'm trying to say, I guess, is we know when Isaiah lived. 294 00:24:55,006 --> 00:25:05,393 Isaiah lived at, you know, some of what he wrote, he might have written even in Babylon, and some when he came back to Israel and was hoping that others would follow him. 295 00:25:05,413 --> 00:25:08,055 The rabbis, we know when they wrote the Haggadah. 296 00:25:08,055 --> 00:25:15,581 It was after the temple was destroyed, probably even after the Jews were exiled from the land. 297 00:25:15,581 --> 00:25:17,812 So imagine the audacity. 298 00:25:17,812 --> 00:25:32,133 Of picking a paragraph that a farmer who farms the Holy Land, the Promised Land, says, and you're asking a community that is no longer in that land to take power from it. 299 00:25:32,133 --> 00:25:44,472 But again, what it shows is that the power of this, these phrases were literally not for when we saw the liberation or were living the liberation. 300 00:25:44,472 --> 00:25:50,446 But when we were backsliding into some sort of golah or exile. 301 00:25:50,446 --> 00:26:01,552 And I think that's therefore—I would even say—that almost gives a little bit of strength to the argument that this might have been written at the same time as Isaiah or 302 00:26:01,552 --> 00:26:04,224 edited and brought in at the same time as Isaiah. 303 00:26:04,224 --> 00:26:05,983 That supports that idea. 304 00:26:06,178 --> 00:26:12,501 But certainly, whether you buy into that or not, it becomes powerful in those instances. 305 00:26:12,501 --> 00:26:15,922 And I think that is what makes it l'dor va-dor. 306 00:26:15,922 --> 00:26:21,805 It makes it something that transcends a particular moment or a particular time. 307 00:26:21,805 --> 00:26:32,119 And of course, what that means is that the rabbis take it from the temple to the home, from the pilgrim's basket to the Seder table, from possession of the land to life in 308 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:32,989 dispersion. 309 00:26:32,989 --> 00:26:34,962 it makes it 310 00:26:34,962 --> 00:26:39,166 so much more powerful going forward. 311 00:26:39,166 --> 00:26:52,917 And I think that it to me, this convergence of criticism, biblical criticism, and the rabbinic interpretation really proves to me that there aren't really any 312 00:26:52,917 --> 00:27:03,166 conflicts here, that we can look at these timeless texts and we can look at them ha hafokh bah va-hafokh bah, from every different perspective, and we come out many times 313 00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:05,287 with the same language. 314 00:27:05,287 --> 00:27:10,148 but at the end of the day, all of these texts give us a grammar. 315 00:27:10,148 --> 00:27:13,289 And the grammar has two components to it. 316 00:27:13,289 --> 00:27:15,250 On the one hand, it's personal. 317 00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:20,291 I emphasized when I read the text how it says I, I, I. 318 00:27:20,291 --> 00:27:22,892 It is a single individual farmer. 319 00:27:22,892 --> 00:27:29,154 and the other part is because it separates it from a particular exodus. 320 00:27:29,154 --> 00:27:35,960 From a particular Moses or a Jacob or an Isaac or an Abraham, it means that it's a recurring pattern. 321 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:44,487 It doesn't really matter who the key players are, because in every generation it has meaning for us. 322 00:27:44,487 --> 00:27:51,332 So this first person script is something that we started by saying makes it unique, but it becomes very important. 323 00:27:51,332 --> 00:27:55,916 And the recurring pattern, I think this idea of Bikurim too is important. 324 00:27:55,916 --> 00:27:58,360 It wasn't done on a particular holiday. 325 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:03,173 There's an open season, so to speak, for bringing bikkurim. 326 00:28:03,173 --> 00:28:06,715 This wasn't the kind of bikkurim that we think of on Shavuot. 327 00:28:06,715 --> 00:28:12,039 It is bikkurim that was brought whenever you got those new crops. 328 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:19,924 You were empowered then to come to the place that God chose and present these gifts. 329 00:28:19,924 --> 00:28:22,966 So I think it's a wonderful, wonderful message. 330 00:28:22,986 --> 00:28:24,347 A fantastic message. 331 00:28:24,347 --> 00:28:25,708 It's really, really good. 332 00:28:25,708 --> 00:28:30,852 And connecting it to Isaiah and what we've done the past two weeks is also wonderful. 333 00:28:30,852 --> 00:28:33,824 This is week number six of the seven haftarot. 334 00:28:34,082 --> 00:28:34,683 Yes. 335 00:28:34,683 --> 00:28:41,127 So now I want to get back to the open question that Von Rad opened, which is what about Sinai? 336 00:28:41,127 --> 00:28:44,570 Why do we not mention Sinai, therefore, in the Haggadah? 337 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:50,454 Why do we not mention Sinai in the Bikurim formula? 338 00:28:50,454 --> 00:28:55,918 Sinai is so important, even in the Haggadah. 339 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,371 You might say we do mention it in Dayenu. 340 00:28:58,371 --> 00:29:02,032 We say, had you not given us the Torah, would it have been enough? 341 00:29:02,032 --> 00:29:09,210 But ultimately, there is an article in TheTorah.com that literally asks this question. 342 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:16,656 and it comes up with numerous answers, none of which I find particularly appealing. 343 00:29:16,656 --> 00:29:22,518 It seems to me, Rabbi, and this I'm gonna go out on a limb and I want to know what you think. 344 00:29:22,518 --> 00:29:31,444 I think that while Exodus repeats itself over and over again, this kind of revelation at Sinai might have been a one-off. 345 00:29:31,444 --> 00:29:35,267 In other words, we don't want prophets coming and making new laws. 346 00:29:35,267 --> 00:29:38,748 The law was given at Sinai once. 347 00:29:38,748 --> 00:29:51,854 Yes, we re-listened to that law, but that moment where we had this kind of public opening up of heaven and getting God's opinion, getting God's laws. 348 00:29:51,854 --> 00:29:53,402 It happens only once. 349 00:29:53,402 --> 00:30:00,909 It happens once, and it's unlike Exodus, where we can make the case that it can become very personal. 350 00:30:00,909 --> 00:30:04,673 I, we argue against private epiphany. 351 00:30:04,673 --> 00:30:12,500 We don't want a Paul walking on the way somewhere and saying, Hey, I just got this great text from God. 352 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:13,861 It's gonna change. 353 00:30:13,861 --> 00:30:19,006 And I think that the rabbis understood that in the famous Talmud of 354 00:30:19,006 --> 00:30:20,227 the Oven of Akhnai. 355 00:30:20,227 --> 00:30:26,813 They said, “Lo ba-shamayim hi,” quoting Deuteronomy: the Torah is not in heaven. 356 00:30:26,813 --> 00:30:34,619 They said, Rabbi Yirmiyah says, since the Torah was already given at Mount Sinai, we do not regard any divine voices anymore. 357 00:30:34,619 --> 00:30:37,341 It's nitnah livnei adam. 358 00:30:37,341 --> 00:30:43,146 So maybe, maybe that is the answer of why Sinai is not connected. 359 00:30:43,146 --> 00:30:48,202 And I'll go one step further because I did promise to tie things into Rosh Hashanah. 360 00:30:48,202 --> 00:31:00,127 On Rosh Hashanah, right after we recite this iconic paragraph that's used to get to teshuvah, that's get that gets us absolved. 361 00:31:00,127 --> 00:31:01,728 “Adonai, Adonai.” 362 00:31:01,728 --> 00:31:08,551 In the Selichot, we say, “We have all sinned—aval anachnu va'avoteinu chatanu.” [We and our fathers] 363 00:31:08,551 --> 00:31:17,356 Again, there we're using this same tool, which is to say that we've been sinning from time immemorial. 364 00:31:17,356 --> 00:31:23,472 We were sinning before, we're sinning today, and we're going to sin in the future, and we know how to deal with this. 365 00:31:23,472 --> 00:31:25,995 We were given tools to deal with this. 366 00:31:25,995 --> 00:31:37,125 I think it's the same type of comforting context where we connect ourselves with the past that gives us power into the future. 367 00:31:37,186 --> 00:31:37,987 Think that's great. 368 00:31:37,987 --> 00:31:44,812 I just say that you know, this declaration is very much tied into bringing us to the land. 369 00:31:44,812 --> 00:31:51,716 You know, Sinai is important, but Sinai is like a parallel train track to going into the land. 370 00:31:51,716 --> 00:31:56,860 Sinai is independent, you're obligated to keep the law even outside the land. 371 00:31:56,860 --> 00:31:58,771 Going into the land is something else. 372 00:31:58,771 --> 00:32:02,184 So I think also, in light of what you said, I think we understand that. 373 00:32:02,184 --> 00:32:03,545 Sinai is something else. 374 00:32:03,545 --> 00:32:05,606 This is about getting into the land. 375 00:32:06,686 --> 00:32:07,727 perfect. 376 00:32:07,727 --> 00:32:21,216 So anyway, another Shabbat as we get ready for Rosh Hashanah and Passover, but one which really teaches us these timeless tools that the Torah provides or people, in order 377 00:32:21,216 --> 00:32:31,442 to repurpose stories from the past, traditions from the past, laws and truths from the past to give us strength today and into the future. 378 00:32:31,608 --> 00:32:32,271 Fantastic. 379 00:32:32,271 --> 00:32:33,526 Shabbat Shalom, everybody. 380 00:32:33,526 --> 00:32:34,892 We'll see you next week. 381 00:32:34,892 --> 00:32:36,780 We're getting close to the end of the Torah. 382 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:37,820 Be well, everyone. 383 00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:47,429 Do you agree that the Exodus repeats itself while Sinai happened only once? 384 00:32:47,489 --> 00:32:52,252 Or do you believe that revelation can also occur in our personal lives? 385 00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:56,975 I'd love to hear your thoughts, disagreements, and questions in the comments section. 386 00:32:56,975 --> 00:33:05,139 Please also share other questions about Jewish texts and traditions that you'd like us to explore in future Madlik deep dives.



