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Radical Disruption and the Birth of Faith

parshat lech l’cha, genesis 12 – 15

Join Geoffrey Stern and Rabbi Adam Mintz discussing the weekly Torah portion. What does it mean to leave everything behind and embark on a journey to the unknown? This episode of Madlik disruptive Torah delves into Lech L’cha, exploring Abraham’s radical departure from his homeland and the birth of monotheism.

– Discover how Abraham’s journey is not just a physical one but a profound internal quest for meaning and connection.

– Examine the midrashic interpretations that paint Abraham as a rebel, challenging the status quo and seeking a universal God.

– Consider the contemporary relevance of Abraham’s story in a world where chaos and division often prevail.

Explore the philosophical and spiritual dimensions of Abraham’s journey… and ponder what it means for us today.

For more insights, visit the Sefaria source sheet http://www.sefaria.org/sheets/602012. This discussion invites you to reflect on the enduring question: What do we find when we truly leave everything behind?

Sefaria Source Sheet: www.sefaria.org/sheets/602012

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Welcome to Madlik. My name is Geoffrey Stern and at Madlik we light a spark or shed some light on a Jewish text or tradition. Along with Rabbi Adam Mintz, we host Madlik Disruptive Torah on your favorite podcast platform, and on YouTube. This week’s Parsha is Lech L’cha. We wake up one morning and our world is in chaos. We do the most radical thing that a man can do. We leave our home, our family, and our prior beliefs, and we leave.

Today, we follow the founder of the Abrahamic faiths as he makes his move. And we, hopefully, find some inspiration. So, join us for Radical Destruction and the Birth of Faith.

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So, I don’t know about you, Rabbi. I woke up this morning (after the re-election of Donald Trump) and my world was in chaos.

Adam Mintz (00:58.113)

I think it’s going to be a chaos that’s going to last for a long time. So, we better learn today and figure out how to deal with chaos.

Geoffrey Stern (01:05.924)

So, it also occurred to me that we’re starting to read the story of Abraham, actually he’s still called Avram. And he is, as I said in the intro, the founder of the Abrahamic religions and faiths. And if you do your math, that’s Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And if you look at other, I don’t know whether they’re called organized religions or universal type religions like Buddhism.

where you have Siddhartha, who discovered God on his own. This is a kind of a seminal type of story where we have the birth of faith, where someone for whatever reason discovers God, the spirit, and starts a movement. And from that perspective, it is absolutely fascinating. And we’re here in the third parsha of Bereshit. We’re moving right along. So, let’s go right to

Genesis 12 and it says, God said to Abraham, go forth from your native land and from your father’s house to the land that I will show you and I will make you a great nation and I will bless you. I will make your name great and you shall be blessed. I will bless those who bless you.

and curse those who curse you and all the families of the earth shall bless themselves by you. So already we have this sense of going on an adventure, going on a journey, taking the whole world with you. gets universal right from the get-go. You’re not only leaving your home, your parents, everything behind, but you’re going on a journey that

the world will be affected by, you will be blessed by the whole world. Abraham went forth as God had commanded him and Lot went with him. Abraham was 75 years old when he left Haran. Abraham took his wife Sarai and his brothers son Lot and all the wealth that they had amassed and the persons that they had acquired in Haran and they set out for the land of Canaan when they arrived in the land of Canaan.

Geoffrey Stern (03:30.074)

So, I could not this year, but notice this whole lech l’cha, we kind of all look at what the midrash says, what does it mean to “go to yourself”, but at the most basic level, this begins with a journey. It’s kind of like last week when we started with the story of Babel, it says, they moved into the Valley of Shinar We did an episode with the meraglim (Biblical Scouts), about this book (by Josh Levinson) about the mirror to understanding the whole Torah is understanding this journeying.. going on a trip. But because the Bible, the Torah is written so beautifully, it really parses every component of taking that trip. The Ramban says, out of my country and from my birthplace.

The reason for mentioning out of my country and from my birthplace and from my father’s house and not to just say he left home is it is difficult for a person to leave the country where he dwells, where he has his friends and companions. This is true all the more so if this is your native land and all the more if his whole family is there. Hence it became necessary to say to Abraham that he would leave for the sake of God.

So really the Ramban is just amplifying the text, but the text is the one that in a staccato fashion is saying, he didn’t just leave, he left his country, he left his birthplace, he left his family. It really is making that impact, is it not?

Adam Mintz (05:09.093)

He left everything. The key is he left everything behind. Went to a place that he had nothing.

Geoffrey Stern (05:18.77)

You know, I agree with you and it does say, El Haaretz Asher Ani Arekha to the land that I will show you, but I think clearly the emphasis is more on the leaving than on the going to.

Adam Mintz (05:31.448)

Yeah, well, the going is so unclear, right? He doesn’t know where he’s going to. Where he’s going is based on trust me.

Geoffrey Stern (05:43.603)

I guess the Bereshit Rabbah says again, similar to the Ramban, Bereshit Rabba says, Rabbi Yohanan said, go you from your land, from your district and from your birthplace. This means your neighborhood and from your father’s house and means from your father’s household. Why did he not reveal it, meaning the destination, that’s talking to the point we just discussed, to make it endearing, to actually give him a Schar mitzvah.

Adam Mintz (06:05.976)

Okay.

Geoffrey Stern (06:34.012)

for each one of these leavings. But there is no question of my mind, Rabbi. The key at this point is not so much where he’s going, it’s that he’s leaving. And the other thing is that unlike the other great stories in the world like the Odessey, he’s not leaving to return. This is not one of these myths where he goes out in the Odyssey and he comes back. He is leaving.

Adam Mintz (07:04.428)

That’s a very important point. He’s leaving not to return. That’s what’s disruptive about it. If you take a trip, you think about trips, right? So, you always know you’re coming home. So, whether the trip is a good trip or a bad trip, the trip you’re looking forward to, but that’s okay, because I’m coming home in a week. But if you’re not going to come home, that’s a very scary trip. And I think that’s…

point is a good point and that’s probably what the Ramban means when he makes the point that he left everything. That is very disruptive to leave everything.

Geoffrey Stern (07:40.964)

Absolutely. Now in the next Rashi, I really thought of you Rabbi. Because if you noticed, it says that he left with all of his belongings and the souls that they had gotten in Haran. What’s the Hebrew that it says, Asher asu b’Haran. It’s not even gotten, it’s which they made. And Rashi says the souls which he had brought beneath the sheltering wings of the shekinah,

Abraham converted the men and Sarah converted the women and scripture accounts unto them as if they had made them. This is Genesis, Rabbah So first of all, Rabbi, you are making a lot of beautiful, beautiful nishamot. And this, this Rashi has to resonate with you. And that made me think of you.

Adam Mintz (08:33.993)

This is the Rashi which is the source of all conversion. The very first time that we mention it. Avraham M’gayer the anashim. Now it’s interesting because I convert women too. And it seems according to this Rashi that I should let Sharon (my wife) convert the women.

Geoffrey Stern (08:48.174)

Okay, we modernize things. But what it said to me, besides making me think of you, what it said to me was that truly this was a movement. He was leaving behind his everything that he had and he was moving on, but he wasn’t going by himself. He already had followers.

Geoffrey Stern (09:18.628)

You could stop right here and say, well, what kind of a journey is this? Is he a refugee? Is he an explorer, an opportunist, a traveler, a truth seeker, a colonist? I mean, it’s really the focus is on the moving out. And I would have to say of every parsha, these two words are not simply the first two words of the Pasha. Lech L’cha is iconic, it’s a bumper sticker. It really…

is a de facto recognition of this amazing revolutionary mission, I would say. So, this is kind of fascinating.

Geoffrey Stern (10:03.824)

Later on in the Pasha, we’re starting to see there were some fights between kings, Lot is kidnapped. There is turbulence going on in the area. And before I get to the point I want to make, which is,

what he has called, again, people don’t leave their home rabbi unless there’s major disruption. You know, the Irish came (to America) because of the potato famine. Many Jews came to America because of the pogroms. People just don’t get up and leave. This is also a sense, just like last week we had a sense of the Tower of Babel, that there was something going on. Here there was a definite sense that there was a cause for him to leave. And I think that’s important too.

But while it talks about this war, the people that come to Abraham, Abram, to tell him that his nephew has been captured, they refer to him as the Hebrew, the Ivri. And so, you could definitely think in terms of Hebrew and Ivri as the name of the nationality. Of course, he’s not called the Canaanite.

and he’s not called a Harannik. So where is this place called Hebrew? Where is this place called Ivri? So, to quote just one of the many commentaries, our old friend Shadal, Shadal talks about refugee. That Ivri means for the other side of the river, from the other side of the track, so to speak. So, he talks about it, a palit, which is a refugee. And he really talks about sh’haya nahri bar’aretz. He was a stranger in the land. And that clearly is part of what we’re talking about. But Rabbi, there’s something that I’ve talked about before.

this concept of something was going on in the Middle East in the Fertile Crescent then, and it was rebellion. And there were people called Apiru. Now, I don’t know if you’ve seen this, Rabbi, but I recently purchased this, a Koren Tanach.

Adam Mintz (12:42.47)

Its great, isn’t it? It’s amazing.

Geoffrey Stern (12:51.118)

It absolutely is. And I have quoted in it where, and I think what it does is for those of you who haven’t seen it before, it’s called the Koren Tanach of the Land of Israel. And similar to www.thetorah.com , it looks at the Parshiyot and the Hebrew Bible from modern scholarship, archeology, textual analysis, but it also is written by…

observant Jews. It says that right from the beginning. So, it’s kind of fascinating that it takes the best of scholarship and believes like we do, Rabbi, that there’s really no conflict. In this particular case, it says some scholars identify the term Ivri with the designation A-Pi-Ru, because b and p sound are often interchangeable in regional languages and its variants.

known from Sumer, Babylon, Anatolia, and Egypt, which refer to various groups throughout the second millennium BCE. And what about these people is fascinating is first of all, it’s derogatory, has a derogatory sense to it. It also refers to a violent person. The West Semitic group means someone restless. The term refers to lower class group migrants disrupt the social order.

Adam Mintz (14:01.261)

Right.

Geoffrey Stern (14:14.554)

a bothersome underclass of outsiders. So, this really kind of puts within brackets this whole lech L’cha. This guy Abraham was leaving his homeland, he might’ve been kicked out. We’re gonna see some of them in the Midrash. He was a rebel. He was a rebel with a cause, but it really, whether it’s…

Adam Mintz (14:28.675)

Right.

Adam Mintz (14:35.383)

Well, and a refugee, you see a refugee, is obviously current politics, but a refugee reflects how people see you. It’s how you deal in society and people see you. They see you as an illegal immigrant.

Geoffrey Stern (14:56.006)

Yeah. But again, that was only the Shadal focused on that. I think the Apiru adds even more. It wasn’t a simple refugee. And some of the Midrash and these Midrashim that we’re gonna read right now is so kind of core to the Jewish story that most people think it’s in the Torah. But guess what? It’s not in the Torah. It’s a Midrash. The Midrash Raba says that Abraham’s father was a,

and a store and he sold idols in it. And a woman came into the store carrying some flour. And the famous story goes that after she left Abraham took a bat and struck down and beat into shards all of the idols. His father came in and his father said, what happened? He says, well, the woman left some food and the biggest idol started taking it from the smaller idol.

The next thing you know, we had a food fight going on and everybody was destroyed and the father said, are you mocking me? So according to this Midrash, it really picked up on that sense of the Apiru, of the Ivru as a rebel. And what does he do?

Geoffrey Stern (16:16.72)

He understands at the end of the day, if you are questioning the religious basis of the society, you’re questioning the whole society. So, he takes him to the king. And what does the king do? The king, Nimrod, who himself is a rebel, I guess, because of his name (he rebelled against God) , but basically the story goes that he says bow down to the fire.

Abraham says, why should I bow down to the fire? That water can put out the fire. He says, bow down to the water. He says, I don’t bow down to anything except God.

Geoffrey Stern (16:58.588)

So Nimrod puts him into the kibshon shel aish, puts him into the furnace and says, let your God save you. But what it’s saying is he rebelled against religion as they knew it at that moment. He was a rebel.

Adam Mintz (17:12.959)

It is interesting that he, just to talk about this midrash, that he put him into the kivshan ha’esh. He put him into the fiery oven. He says, let your God show me. Right? It’s like this battle. You’re gonna be a rebel. Let your God save you now.

Geoffrey Stern (17:33.848)

Absolutely, a little Mida Keneged Mida (The punishment fits the crime) .. .. .. right? But from this comes all of the, I guess, commentators who projected on Abraham this philosophical discussion. We saw a glimpse of it a second ago, where he says, why should I go down to the fire? What about the water? And it’s kind of a reductio ad absurdum ..

You know, at the end of the day, you’ve got to go back to God. There’s got to be a mover if things are being moved. So, Maimonides really flushes it out. And of course, Maimonides is a philosopher. You can even say he’s an Aristotelian. There has to be a First Cause to make a second cause And if you look at the show notes in Sefaria, it really talks about the fact he describes Abraham with such awe and

and honor. He says he had no teacher. He came upon this by himself. He wandered about, he looked up at the stars and he looked up at things and he says there must be a first cause. And he kind of makes out of nowhere because all we have in our verses is Abraham left. But from that, he creates this whole philosophical journey that Abraham had.

where he said, you look at things, you need to go back to an earlier time. Things don’t happen by themselves. There’s causality. And I think that’s the traditional understanding of the text that we read today, that what Abraham did was he kind of pulled the rug out of those who worshiped objects. And I would argue he also pulled the rug

of local gods and that’s where the Lech L’cha comes in. He left the town, he left the gods behind, he said there’s something bigger out there, there’s a bigger god, there must be a universal god that controls everything.

Adam Mintz (19:41.084)

Well, that, of course, the whole, according to Rambam, what Avraham represents is monotheism. What he’s fighting against is these local gods. That’s polytheism. That’s multiple gods. He says these multiple gods can’t be the answer. The answer has to be one big God. That was the fight. That was what he was rebelling against.

Geoffrey Stern (20:08.466)

Yeah, absolutely. There has to be one big God. He has to be universal. He can’t be associated one particular place. But of course, to project onto Abraham concepts like infinite and omnipotent (omnipresent etc,)  and all of the things that we associate with monotheism, I think is a little bit of a stretch when all you have is lech l’cha .. .. M’artzecha miladecha .. It’s almost…

because it’s so negative in the sense of it doesn’t tell what he does, it tells that he left, it lets us all project. But there is another Midrash that I had never come across until I read Shai Held’s book about love. (Judaism Is About Love: Recovering the Heart of Jewish Life) And I also picked it up in the Chief Rabbi of England, Sacks’s book. (Radical Than, Radical Now p. 53)

Geoffrey Stern (21:05.11)

And it is fascinating. So, we’re going to spend maybe the rest of our time together today looking at that and some of the surprising conclusions. So, in Bereshit Rabba 39, it says, again, quoting our verse, the Lord said to Abraham, go from your land, from your birthplace and from your father’s house. And it says, this is analogous to one who was passing from place to place.

So, I love it already because it’s the first Midrash that takes into account Lech L’cha that takes into account that this is something that he saw when he was traveling. So, he’s going from place to place and he sees a building and I’m reading the translation from Sefaria with a candle burning in it. So, he sees a lighted window. He said, is it possible that this building has no one in charge of it?

The owner of the building looked out at him and said, I am the owner of the building. So, because Abraham our Patriarch was saying, is it possible that this world is without someone in charge? The Holy one blessed me, he looked at him and said to him, I am the owner of the world. And so, it’s kind of beautiful because it incorporates the story of his discovery of God with his journey.

But I would go even further. It’s clearly talking about a God who is caring. In other words, initially, if the other arguments, it wasn’t a God that necessarily had to be caring for the world, it had to be a causal relationship, the God who started the world. But this adds a whole other aspect to it, Rabbi. What are your thoughts on this Midrash at this point?

Adam Mintz (22:53.291)

Well, I’m interested in the candle. What’s that image? Is that what drew him to the building? That’s what made him realize? What is that image? Why does the Midrash need that?

Geoffrey Stern (23:11.057)

So, first of all, we all know what doleket means because we’re on madlik. Madlik means to make a splash, to make a spark, to light a bonfire. As Shai Held points out, it doesn’t mean at all a candle in the window. So, what he says is Shai Held

He quotes this Rabbi Isaac and he says, what may this be compared to a man who’s traveling when he has a palace in flames? Doleket is the translation that Shai Held gives. And he wondered, is it possible that this place has no one who looks after it? This gives a whole new meaning to the Midrash because now he’s seeing a house just kind of nowhere.

on the plains and it’s on fire. And he goes, doesn’t anyone care about this? Shai Held brings Rashi, actually he talks about this Rashi as a Rashi, attributed to Rashi. And here again, he tries to take it back to that original argument, which is called the teleological argument. Every,

ball on a billiard table, it moves because something else hit it. And there has to be that cue and the force forcing it. So, he said that Abraham saw heaven and earth, he saw the sun by day and the moon by night and stars shining. He thought, is it possible that such a great thing could be without it having a guide? So, this pseudo-Rashi doesn’t get the point that I think you and I are getting and the point that Shai Held wants to bring out.

He says, first of all, it was burning. And second of all, it’s making a much more profound point than just there must be a reason that this is here. He also quotes the Chizkuni. And it says, when Abraham saw that the wicked were setting the world on fire, he began to doubt in his heart. Perhaps there is no one who looks after this world. Immediately God appeared to him and said, I am the owner of the world.

Adam Mintz (25:37.566)

See that’s super interesting that it’s the bad people who are destroying the world. So, you say you’re a rebel, but you know, if you’re a rebel, you’re a rebel from bad people. want to, you want to stay away from bad people. So, he sees the house being burnt down by bad people. That’s a very interesting twist to the whole thing.

Geoffrey Stern (26:02.168)

It makes the whole story very, very different because now already Abraham is standing there and he somehow feels that he stumbled upon this house and that in and of itself raises questions because he’s not in the town anymore. And then he sees that it’s on fire and he goes, is anyone involved here? There’s already a sense of

Abraham senses within himself concern. What Shai writes, and I’m going to read it because it’s so beautiful, is Abraham refuses to look away. Confronted with the abyss of meaninglessness, he will not avert his eyes. But not only does Abraham refuse to turn away, he cares. Is it possible that this world has no one who looks after it?

Shai is putting this question into the same way of Abraham speaking to God at Sodom and Gomorrah. Is it possible that the God of justice would kill these people? So whatever faith Abraham finds, it will not be easy. It will be the faith of a man who is considered the very real possibility that chaos and bloodshed are simply all there is. The possibility shakes Abraham to the very core of this being.

According to this story, the founding father of the Jewish people is someone who will not hide from the reality of human suffering. This refusal to hide or look away is, I think, says Held, a manifestation of deep love. Faced with a world of fire, Abraham will not grow calloused or indifferent. He continues to care even when it hurts, and so he cries out. It seems to me that not only has this Midrash especially in the hands

of Rabbi Sacks in the hands of Shai Held become much more intriguing. Not only does it tie into the leaving and the traveling and the stumbling upon something, but I think, Rabbi, the way you read this, the way Held is reading it, is the real discovery is not out there, it’s inside. Abraham finds inside of himself this feeling that he cares about this house.

Geoffrey Stern (28:26.512)

And because he cares about this house that isn’t from his town, isn’t from his family, it’s just sitting there, he wonders, is there another being like me that cares about things? And he kind of discovers from this reading God inside of himself. You think I’m off?

Adam Mintz (28:45.825)

No, I mean, let’s just take it back a second. That’s really the, you know, the deepest point in this whole story of Lech L’cha, that it’s not about Avraham reacting to outside forces. The famous midrash about the idols breaking the idols, that reflects the fact that he’s worried about outside forces. But here what Shai Held is trying to suggest is that this is all going on within Avraham.

He’s bothered. He feels something. That’s a whole different read of Abraham and what makes Abraham special.

Geoffrey Stern (29:25.158)

Yeah, I think it’s what they call a paradigm shift. He like turns it on his head. So, I read a book, it’s called The Experience of God by David Bentley. And it’s really a book that is a lot of it that’s much too philosophical in the old sense, proofs of God existence, things like that.

But the most interesting thing that he says is he defines God and the spirit as (an answer to) radical contingency. In other words, if you are struck by this world and you can give a scientific reason for everything, but at the end of the day, all of these different contingencies, that house being on the plain the fire burning in it, the ability to put out fires, the trees, the grass,

the morning wind, the fact that I left Haran in the morning all of these contingencies, he says ultimately when mankind is faced with these contingencies, he needs meaning, he needs something to put it together. And what he says is that this search of meaning is the basis of the desire for a God, the concept of God, the idea that we need somehow to believe that

things are not just random, but they’re somehow connected. And I think what Shai adds to it is that not only are things connected, but we are connected. And I wanna finish up because I did start saying that we both woke up this morning and we were kind of thrown for a loop. I read an amazing article in the New York Times by Ross Duthart.

and he’s a Catholic thinker. But he said, one of the things that he said is the whole atheistic arguments that were so popular about 10, 15 years ago, where religion was superstitious, where people who believe in religion believe in anything, the craziest ideas. He says, nowadays it doesn’t fly because when we look at the conspiracy theories out there.

Geoffrey Stern (31:44.454)

When we look people on both the right and the left that are going after anything that brings them together, that gives them meaning, we actually say that atheism itself is not the answer. What I think is missing is this sense of needing to be connected, that this sense of what Abraham did when he took those wonderful converts and he started a movement.

was to say that ultimately what we need is we need each other. The other interesting thing that I’ll bring to the floor is that there have been studies that the so-called evangelical support of Trump, and now we’re talking on the Right, many of them don’t go to church. Their evangelicalism is basically a long thread of social media where they feel very much together. And I think the lesson

of this morning for me that Abraham is giving is that we all have to look outside of our house or outside of our apartment. And we have to see that other person, that neighbor, that someone else. And we have to rediscover community. And at the end of the day, I think that’s what Abraham did when he left Haran he created for the first time in history, a community that was connected, not by language necessarily, not by place.

but by mission of caring for each other. And I think if we have a chance in the next four years or as a country going forward, it’s because we all have to rediscover what we have in common and what we share and maybe religion and studying texts like this, where you never know who’s gonna be sitting in the pew next to you. The physical ability to meet people that might have different ideas.

Right now, it’s only sports. That’s the only thing that brings people together. Maybe we need more things in real life that we can meet people that have other opinions.

Adam Mintz (33:41.693)

Yeah

Adam Mintz (33:46.825)

And I think that idea that the building is burning, the building’s burning outside, the building’s burning inside each of us. And the question is how we’re going to react to it. Thank you so much. This is perfect for this week. And it really brings a whole new perspective to Abraham and to what lech l’cha means, what he left and ultimately what he found. Thank you so much.

Geoffrey Stern (34:11.45)

the beginning of the journey and it’s nice to be on it with you Rabbi.

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Abraham’s Epic Journey and our Own

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Abraham’s Epic Journey and our Own

Recorded live on Clubhouse on Friday October 15th 2021 Parshat Lech Lecha – Geoffrey Stern, Rabbi Adam Mintz and Rabbi Abraham Bronstein explore various ways of viewing Abraham’s epic journey and how it reflects our own. Sefaria Source Sheet: http://www.sefaria.org/sheets/354270 Transcript (excerpt): You know, I could make the argument that Abraham was the first atheist.

Join Geoffrey Stern, Rabbi Adam Mintz, Rabbi Avraham Bronstein and friends as they explore various ways of viewing Abraham’s epic journey and how it reflects our own. Recorded on Clubhouse on Friday October 15th, 2021

Transcript:

Geoffrey Stern  00:00

So everybody, welcome to Madlik. This is our weekly clubhouse where we do what we call disruptive Torah, which means that we look at the Torah through slightly new lenses from a new angle, and hopefully inspire all of us to do the same and to think freshly about our ancient texts. And we do record and we post as a podcast on Sunday. And so if you enjoy what you hear, go ahead and listen to the podcast, give us a few stars, say something nice and share it with your friends. And with that we are literally beginning a journey because today’s Parsha is Lech Lecha, which is the beginning of the epic journey of Abraham. And the words Lech Lecha are open, as is his journey to multiple interpretations. And I’m sure we’re going to get into them all. But basically, in Genesis 12: 1, it says, “And the Lord said to Abraham, go forth from your native land “Lech Lecha Meartzecha” , from your father’s house, to the land that I will show you, I will make of you a great nation, I will bless you, I will make your name great, and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and curse those that curse you. And all the families of the earth shall bless themselves by you.” And certainly we know that the Abrahamic families are far and wide. Both Islam and Christianity all account their faith and their journey to Abraham. So this is a man who began a wild adventure. So let’s start by asking you in the audience and our panel? What is striking to you about the onset of this epic journey and Lech Lecha?

Adam Mintz  02:00

I’ll start by saying that what strikes me about Lech Lecha more than anything else, is the fact that the background is not there. We don’t know anything about what led to God saying to Abraham leave your father’s house, and, you know, go to this land. And I wonder why that is? If the Torah tells you something, there’s a reason for it. And if the Torah doesn’t tell you something, there’s a reason for it. And I wonder what the reason that the Torah doesn’t tell you is here.

Geoffrey Stern  02:36

I think that’s a great question, Michael?

Michael Posnik  02:41

Yes, it’s a wonderful question. Having worked in the theater for so long, when anything happens on stage, you try to find out from the actors, where they came from, so that when they walk in, they walk in with a bit of history. So I got an opportunity, as I said, to study the Zohar with my friend Misha Shulman, a rabbi, and I’ll share with you some of what we found. It begins with a principle. It says nothing is aroused above, before it is first aroused below, so that what is aroused above rests on it. So the indication is, the work below has to be done first. Before anything can happen from above, there has to be an awakening. So it says here, the secret behind the words Lech Lecha is that Hakadosh Baruch Hu (the holy one blessed be he)  inspired Abraham with the spirit of wisdom. Abraham knew how to judge the spirits and the winds of the civilized world. He observed them, weighed them in the scales, and knew how to connect them to the powers and trusted to govern the inhabited places of earth. And he measured and observed very carefully. And he realized that the whole middle point of the inhabited world is the point from which the whole world moves out to all its corners. Then he discovered, continuing to observe in weigh, in an effort to determine the nature of that central point of the creation, but he was unable to understand it. So he could not cleave to it. It says, he saw the strength of that place, HaMakom, and realized that he could not understand it. Abraham knew and checked all the governors and rulers of the world that had dominion over the entire civilized world. And he was examining all those who governed and ruled over directions of the inhabited world. And he learned how to exercise their power over one another. But he still when he reached the place, the point of Malchut (Rulership), he saw the force of those depths that he couldn’t understand it. As soon as Hakadosh Baruch Hu noticed his awakening and his passion. He immediately revealed himself to Abraham said, Lech Lecha, go learn perfect yourself. So those other words of the Zohar in translation. So you want to know what he was doing before? He was learning everything there was to know about the entire creation and the Center, the core of it was this mystery that could only be filled by Hakadosh Baruch Hu.

Geoffrey Stern  05:46

So so I’m not sure whether what you’re saying is an answer. Or it begs the question, because it seems to me that as you look through the commentaries, you’ve given a beautiful commentary from a mystical point of view. So a mystic feels free to project on to Abraham, what he imagined him going through the this story that most of us learn in cheder, in Hebrew school, is the famous story of Abraham’s father who had a store where they sold idols. And he let Abraham be an idle sitter, if you will, to take care of the store while he went away. And one after the other people came in, either to buy an idol or to give an homage, some food to the idol. And similar to Michael, when you were talking about Abraham, somehow, it doesn’t really in this regard, say where he came to these revelations. But he engages in almost a Socratic dialogue, saying, Well, why are you feeding this idol? If it was made just yesterday? Why are you worshiping Him? If he has eyes and he can’t see if he has he is if he can’t hear. And again, I’m not sure that this midrash, which most kids walk away thinking as part of the text, but it’s not, begs the question or answers it or maybe what it says. And we can discuss some other perspectives on what led Abraham to this moment. Maybe what it says is that Abraham’s journey is our journey, and that all of us, therefore have license or maybe an obligation to project on to Abraham, that journey of discovery of the hidden mystery, if you will, as you put it, of the universe.

Adam Mintz  08:07

I like that. I like the idea that Abraham’s journey is our journey, the Sefat Emet, one of the Hasidic masters, says that God says Lech Lecha to everybody, it’s just Abraham was the first person who actually heard

Geoffrey Stern  08:28

If you join Madlik a few minutes before four, we always ask Rabbi Adam, what he’s going to speak about in synagogue on the coming Shabbat. And he intimated that it’s not altogether clear that what we just read, is actually the full story, even from the text. I’m not sure who divided up the Torah into portions, who divided it up into chapters, maybe one day we’ll spend a session going over that. But if you look a few lines before the beginning of our Torah reading of Lech Lecha, it actually has either a variant or a supplemental account of what actually happened in Genesis 11. It says, “Terach, took his son Abraham, his grandson, Lot, the son of hawan, and his daughter in law, Sarai, the wife of his son Abraham, and they set out together from Or of the Chaldeans for the land of Canaan. But when they had come as far as Haran, they settled there.” So just as in Genesis 1 and 2, we have two stories of the creation of Adam and Eve. Here too. It seems almost as if we have two stories of leaving Haran. In chapter 11 of Genesis. It doesn’t give credit to Abraham. It doesn’t say that Abraham left his father this To Rebel Without a Cause this rouser of breaking of the the loaded idols of his parents here, it says that his father took him and his grandson and his wife, and maybe they didn’t make the whole trip. But certainly from this text, it looks as though his father was involved. And I’m wondering, not only do we have a license to look at this story through our own eyes, but we have a license to say, Abraham could also envision it with his own eyes. How many times do we as children envision certain things that we believe we’ve come up with on our own, and in the second telling, maybe we realize, we got that from dad, or we discovered that for mom, and I’m wondering if a little bit of that is going on here as well, what thinks you?

Michael Posnik  10:55

Clearly, we all receive a good part of our personality from parents, there’s no doubt that it may well be that the man who made idols, made idols but didn’t believe them. It’s possible that that was his business, and he knew it was a good business. I don’t know, the question that comes to my mind is, when they left, where did they think they were going? And how many times in our lives do we have a destination in mind, but something wonderful or not so wonderful happens, and our destination has to change? In Abraham’s case, it seems to me they were headed towards Or of the Chaldeans or whatever that was, where they were headed. And then God says, I’ll show you where to go. So it’s completely open. It completely impromvisatory, if you will, spontaneous, he asked to just go and follow that son. whatever direction they were going, that’s, that’s been my experience in life, actually, I lived my life where I was intending something or nothing, and suddenly, I hear a voice to go in that direction. ….I met wonderful people.

Adam Mintz  12:17

I just want to point out Geoffrey, you know, this story of the family of Abraham, traveling from Or Chasdim  to Haran all of that, you know, this is really the first time in the Torah. And this is already the third portion where people travel. Each of the two, previous Parshot has talked about genealogies talked about different people. And it almost never says they started here, they went there. So what you see at the very least is the Terach is exploring. And I think you get credit for exploring, even if you have bad intentions, the idea that you want to explore, is it itself something that we encourage. And I think that’s an important point.

Geoffrey Stern  13:23

Well, I mean, a little bit later in the portion, we get into some fights and interactions between Abraham and other people. And obviously, it’s only when you interact with other people, that people get to name you and you get to name yourself.

Michael Posnik  13:39

Just jump in for a second. I’m thinking about Cain who is Nad veNad, who is constantly in motion from place to place with no direction.

Adam Mintz  13:51

Correct and that was God. That was the punishment. he had to travel. Here is the first time we have traveled where he chooses to track.

Geoffrey Stern  14:01

So but let me let me go a little bit later on, you know, Abraham strikes to be defined and to define himself and he gets involved in some battles with other kings, and his brother gets kidnapped. And in Genesis 14, it says “And a fugitive brought the news to Abraham, the Hebrew who was drilling at the terebinths of Mamre”, and this is the first time to my knowledge that Abraham is actually called a Hebrew. “L’Avram HaIvri”  and Rashi quite rightly says, the one who came from the other side of the river “Mever HaNahar”. And so in one verse, not only is Abraham defined as this traveler, as this person who’s defined by not where he is but where he is coming from, but it is kind of interesting that a fugitive is the one who is giving him a message. We almost are in a world that is populated in a different way. And it’s not simply one heroic person, but we’re surrounded by a world in flux. And it gives I think, more emphasis to this whole concept of Lech Lecha, in terms of a journey, I do believe that we’re all kind of on the same page here. In terms of this process. There is this trite saying where “life is a journey and not a destination”. And whether it is literally Abraham, beginning on this journey, or whether it is the fact that maybe he didn’t quite start it all by himself, but his father started it, but didn’t finish it. And that kind of echoes this concept of we never finish our journey. And our journey is only the beginning of a bigger journey. It’s just so emblematic of what Abraham created, and what the story values, I think. So what what makes us of “God” here? Because I think so many of the interpretations revolve around the birth of monotheism. Michael, you were talking from a kabbalistic point of view, that it was clear that what instigated this departure was some eureka moment or some lifelong struggle for identifying the mysteries of the universe. But if you look at the text itself, you know, I don’t think there would have been our person in that ancient world who would have done anything unless he was inspired by the Spirit. The fact that God said to him make this journey, you know, God spoke in the Epic of Gilgamesh to…  the gods was speaking all the time. There’s nothing inherent in this tale that leads one to believe that Abraham created some revolution in theology. And I’m just wondering if that is something that resonates at all with you? Or is it clear that this man began his trip because of some theological inspiration?

Adam Mintz  17:37

I don’t think anything is clear. And I don’t even know what a theological revelation means. What you just said was right. We talk about Abraham as being the first Jew. The truth of the matter is that scholars all say that’s not technically correct. Jews are related to Judah. It only came later. Abraham is the first monotheist

Geoffrey Stern  18:06

Well, he’s the first Hebrew he’s the first Iviri.

Adam Mintz  18:09

right Ivri. He’s separate from everybody else. He recognizes God. There’s a very famous Rashi. Rashi says that when they were traveling, it says that Abraham, “converted” is the word Abraham megayeret et ha anashim veSara mgayeret et aha nashim” and Sara was converting the women, “converting” does it mean converting like we have today. It means the day actually we’re teaching monotheism. They believed that monotheism was something that needed to be taught, that needed to be spread to all different people. And I think that’s really interesting.

Geoffrey Stern  18:56

You know, I could make the argument that Abraham was the first atheist. And what I mean to say is, if you look at Abraham from the perspective of Terach, or if you follow the story of Nimrod, who puts him into a fiery furnace? Here is a guy who’s saying that everything the world believe was a God does not exist. He says, No, the sun has no power, the stars have no power, this Totem, this animal, it has no power. And and what he was claiming, was, in fact, of a power and of course, this is all a projection of the Midrash, or of Maimonides or of the Zohar was this hidden this unseen, untouchable thing from the perspective of the landed powers that be he was denying God, he was denying all that they believed in and from that perspective it leads all the way to Spinoza, who was excommunicated by saying God is no way but God is everywhere. Maybe he was the first secularist.

Avraham Bronstein  20:13

You remind me of Peter Brown. So Peter Brown, the great historian of the Roman Empire, and one of his books about religion in the ancient Roman Empire, or the classical world, talks about how the Judeans, the original Jews were seen as atheists by the more polytheist, pre Christian Roman Empire at the time, because they couldn’t comprehend how Jews maintain the belief not in their God, but in a god. It didn’t make any sense to them.

Geoffrey Stern  20:44

Fantastic. Yochanan welcome to the bima

Yochanan  20:48

Thanks, thanks. Thanks so much for having me. By the way, Rabbi Maza, the Chief Rabbi of Moscow, 400 years ago, he says what you just said. So he says that Abraham was a kultur b’kalim . He was like, like you said, he was the first secularist or atheists to to deny all the deities, all the old the religions of the environment.

Geoffrey Stern  21:14

I think that’s fantastic. We forget sometimes, because Judaism is 3000 years old, that there was a time where it was the rebel in the room, and it was offering ideas that seemed to break all of the accepted beliefs. So we’re moving along, I want to talk a little bit about Lech Lecha the words itself. And I think if you had to translate it, simply, you would say lech means to go. And lecha means to yourself. And in Rashi, his interpretation is for your benefit. L’hanatcha, l’tovatcha for your good. But as any good researcher will do. One, will look to see where else these two words come together. And I know of one other place where they come together, I don’t have the confidence to say it’s the only other place where they come together. But it is certainly a very prominent place. And it is in Genesis 22. And similar to our text God comes forward and says Abraham, and he says who I am. And he says take your son, your favorite one, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah. He says ulech lecha el eretz hamoriah. And so iconically. In Perkai Avot it says that Abraham had been given 10 tests in his life. And the commentary say the first and the last test both began with lech l’cha. And so the two are certainly connected. But it makes one wonder if Rashi’s interpretation is correct. Because certainly it’s a hard sell to say that as you’re asked to take your son, you only son that this is for your benefit. Another parallel and then I’ll open it up to discussion is that notice the cadence in both of these renderings. In both God steps it up. God says in our parsha, he says to go from your land, from your father, from your home. And on the Akida, the The Binding of Isaac, he does the same thing. And of course, the commentaries say, well, it’s a test. So it’s to give him more benefit, to give him more credit for the different steps that he’s taken. But what makes all of you about this connection between the Lech l’echa of leaving a land a temporal place, and this lech lecha of this amazing, challenging, tragic test towards the end of his life?

Adam Mintz  24:31

Well, let me ask you, you know, Geoffrey, the question is, which was more challenging, right? Was it harder for him to leave everything that he had grown up with? Or was it harder, not knowing what God’s stood for? Or maybe at the end of his life, he learned to trust God already. And even though God said sacrifice your son, maybe he had enough trust in God to believe that, I don’t know how it’s gonna work out okay, but somehow is gonna work out Okay.

Geoffrey Stern  25:05

One of the commentators says that it relates to this testing that in lech l;echa we come literally to our essence to find out to discover who we are. And one can make the argument that one only knows who one is when one is tempered with the test and the experience of life, another commentary and I kind of love this and this, maybe he resonates a little bit with what Michael was saying about the esoteric texts of the Kabbalah. Emek Davar says that it is Lecha (only to you) a secret. So Lech Lecha, this is something that was hidden only to the recipient. This is a private journey. And so he says, when it comes to the binding of isaac, he says to Abraham, keep it quiet, because if anyone else knows this crazy mission that you’re on, they are going to resist. So Lech Lecha it’s a hidden message. But I do believe that the, the fact that this iconic term was used in both instances is certainly fascinating. Uri welcome to the bema

Uri  26:30

Thank you so much.

26:30

Join Geoffrey Stern and Rabbi Adam Mintz as they explore various ways of viewing Abraham’s epic journey and how it reflects our own.

Recorded on Clubhouse on Friday October 15th, 2021

https://www.clubhouse.com/event/MzrkWw0a

Link to Sefaria source sheet: www.sefaria.org/sheets/354270

Listen below to last week’s Clubhouse meeting: Noah’s Rainbow

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